Which is more typical to change? I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Fitting.. gives you a choice. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Which is more typical to change? Yes delofting affects bounce. It is all about fitting. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. ENTER NOW! It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. By the way, thank you all for your input! [/quote] [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 235 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. Your previous content has been restored. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? I know a guy who is about 5'6" and has shortish arms for his size. Ping Tour Gorge 50SS, SM5 M-Grind 54/10, TM Tour Preferred 58/10 Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. 2. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x Pasted as rich text. Pw 47 125 [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM X Hot Pro 16 w/Rogue Black Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. So, for the sake of your irons, take your clubs to a custom fitter if you plan on bending them. I bent my MP-32 2 degree strong, my natural ball flight is high along with the low COG on the irons. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph But my arms are more like someone 6'4" to 6'5". [/quote] Biggest difference is in hit 2 degree upright in the center much more often and not as thin. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. Bending say, 2* strong would have minimal effect on offset. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. I think its mostly because I have better spin rate with the mid-long irons now, although I never got any numbers. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. 5-G The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. Not sure about the AP2s. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. One of the least common reasons is distance- usually, they're trying to get the ballflight into a "window" that they're comfortable with- if a 7 iron goes to high, bend it stronger. Is this something everyone should be doing, or is it very specific to a certain type of swing? By somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. Every 1* is about 3 yards each way Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Below, we explain everything you need to know about bending golf clubs and suggest when its a good idea. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. [quote name='clemsondds' post='1858228' date='Aug 1 2009, 07:36 PM']Ok thanks ya'll. On the one hand to adjust the lie individually. Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. Mizuno JPX-800 Pro 5-P, X100 [/quote] Then, if you decide to carry out the work, its best to take the clubs to a fitter to do it on your behalf. Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x I'm curious about this as well. You need a steep angle of attack to bend weaker as bounce is increased degree for degree. I would tweak loft to adjust my distance gaps. I'm curious about this as well. no i've struggled with a fade all season. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. Tipped shafts. The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? [/quote] #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. 9% choose stiff+ iron shafts, a flex in-between stiff and extra stiff, but over 70% use either extra stiff or tour extra stiff iron shafts. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. I am about a 10 handicap but am young and just now getting more serious about golfing. [/quote] Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. TXG Custom PXG 0211 6-pw, 1* flat, Recoil ESX 460 R. Callaway MD5 46*, Tour Issue DG S200. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. All rights reserved. Used to be 6'1" but I've shrunk a little. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. So I play my irons 2 deg flat. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. After all, golf clubs are designed in such a way to ensure that you can pick the precise club out of your bag to hit the ball the required distance. [/quote] Clear editor. . You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Axis 1 Rose model 35.5'' I would be pleased with them. Honma TW747 15* Vizard FD-8X I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Your link has been automatically embedded. [/quote] 2 degrees up from what? Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM Maybe different shafts could reduce dynamic loft and reduce spin some but not a lot. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Here are the lofts of the irons in that set. Pw from 48* to 45*), that I will completely mess up the grind and . I have a set of S58s where the bounce is already generous, so no issues. All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. You can post now and register later. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. You cannot paste images directly. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [/quote] Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? I agree with these two reasons here. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Thanks for everybody for your help! ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb For Example 9 iron 41 148 Upload or insert images from URL. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). **. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Reset Password My 5 irons lie is 59 deg whereas the usual 5 iron lie from most manufacturers is more like 61 deg. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. After all, you dont want to ruin the make-up of your clubs by getting your angles wrong or by using a homemade contraption. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Display as a link instead, I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. 4 iron 22 206 IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. [/b][/size] 4. The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. Odyssey Pro #1 black flat but he has such a horrendous over the top move he gets by using irons that are 2 deg up. All Rights Reserved. rjklein4470, June 3, 2009 in WRX Club Techs. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. [/quote] Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Nike Vapor Flex 9.5* Left/Low, Rogue Max Low 75TX To avoid this, make sure to take your irons to a golf pro at least once a year. As for whether or not you should bend your irons, its really up to you. And that is forged soft steel clubheads and there are several forging methods and processes available. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. PING's i210 are the second most popular with 8 using them. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Mizuno MP30 5 - PW, AXE Excaliber stiff, Hogan Apex PC E Wedge (50*) TT DG s300 Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. Titleist Pro V1x These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'][quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Thanks everybody for the help! This is a more upright lie angle.. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. One way to make the necessary adjustments to your golf clubs is to bend them. Mickesgolf 2 up is a decent fit for most guys 6'1 to 6'3 with "normal" ape factor. Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. Since the upright lie tends to assist golfers in hitting the ball right to left, it's going to help the masses who tend to have to commonest swing fault - left to right. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? This is often the case with cheaper branded golf clubs that are mass-produced, as less attention to detail is paid by the manufacturers. Paste as plain text instead, Albion, MI 49224 You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. thanks. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. I would think if anything it just shows that some taller people are getting into golf. That isn't the best or correct way by any means.it's just a tool. ENTER NOW! They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). You can now expect a bunch of posts citing all of the exceptions to the generalizations set out above. Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. [/quote] A variety of reasons- less bounce, less spin, a flatter ballflight, matching a previous set they were comfortable with, etc. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Nike VR Pro LE 15*, 'Ahina 75s In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Pw 45 131, Hickory Bag: Brassie, Mid Iron, Mashie, Mashie Niblick, Niblick, Putter, Driver: PXG 12*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 63 6.0, Long Game: PXG 13*, PXG 16*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 83 6.5 (flip between the two), Driving Iron: PXG 0311 4 iron bent 17.5*; ProForce VTS 100HX (finally found a driving that works), Irons: NIKE VR Pro CBs Raw 4 - PW: Aldila RIP Tour 115 s,these are similar length irons (4 iron 37.75, PW 36.25)7, Wedges: Titleist Vokey 50F, 54D, 58S: DG S300 (will sometimes add in the 58* on shorter courses), Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Design #5 35 inches: Super Stroke GP Tour. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. GM Never Compromise GM2 putter

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