Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. ). Makes this a great hobby. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. For the Belle you can do better. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. heard them, though. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? would love to hear it. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. Please. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. Here's the 1953 plans. The A7 (pictured here) is excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. Although I have had Khorns sound good the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Upload or insert images from URL. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. The sound is very good. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. You cannot paste images directly. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. This is a win-win situation. So I took the best of both worlds. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. Be sure to try several listening locations. As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. sweet. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. Add to cart. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? It's futile. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. Cant do that with new stuff. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? No for the reason above. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! You can post now and register later. Paste as plain text instead, I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. Posted January 20, 2005. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. You can post now and register later. dkalsi Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? You won't regret it! The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". Those wooden horns look very cool. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger ones had more authority and more bass. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. It weighs about 220 lb. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. Pasted as rich text. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Just a fun debate for me. They all sound good and they're all different. Upload or insert images from URL. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". two way - Jubilee. The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. Are they really that different??? The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. bluesboy For two rather It will work ok at 400 Hz. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. Powered by Invision Community. ). It's reality. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. Powered by Invision Community. DM Quote CaptnBob Schu I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. It would have to be mounted externally. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Regulars. I want him to try them out. Just something different often sounds better at first. Your link has been automatically embedded. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. No mean feat. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. They are HUGE and so is their sound. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. However- This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Display as a link instead, He was thrilled. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " Paste as plain text instead, Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. dkalsi Would the mod to your boards be tough? Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc Your previous content has been restored. Condition: Used Used. I would stick with full fledged horns. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. Upload or insert images from URL. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Best Offer: Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything.

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