Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. As a . As far as optics are concerned, we used a 1x Eotech red dot sight as opposed to a good 3x or 4x scope. Jacketed 45 ACP bullets measure 0.451 in diameter while the 450 Bushmaster requires the slightly wider 0.452 diameter bullets. Any way you want it, the .50 Beowulf is a reloaders delight because of its case design and the ready availability of .50 caliber bullets. . Beowulf sounds cool, I wish they would SAAMI approve the thing so it could go into mass production though What's impressing me is the video shows an 8 inch hitting 700m. But if I could only own one or the other, I would have to choose the .50 Beowulf. One new winner* is announced every week! Maybe redo some of the old muskets that shot .75 caliber balls. Because I can! in the Beowulf, the fun of which I can understand. Now here is a serious question. The .50 Beowulf is the biggest, nastiest cartridge that actually cycles out of the AR-15 platform. It looks odd, but it isnt. That alone ends the debate for me. Then a week later I got an automated message saying essentially: 1. your order may have been cancelled because you specifically requested in writing that it be cancelled, 2. your order may be partially fulfilled, 3. your order has been manually entered, 4. The .50 Beowulf was not intended to be a precision target round any more than was the .45 Govt. Check. A bit more forward lean and weight distribution might have helped mitigate muzzle rise, but still, Greg was pretty damn accurate. Everyone overlooked the fact that you can have a 50 Beowulf PISTOL! I found some ammo in stock at http://www.Detroitammoco.com they are using some plastic tipped ammo that I havent seen before. I donno, it sounds like perfect hog medicine to me. Ive also spoken with him on the phone when I was having some trouble with my Grendel, hes a great person to deal with. Trying to decide between these 2 rifles for my next rifle. Your deck photo looks like the floor of my boat. The vast majority of .223 Remington factory loads shoot bullets in the 35-90 grain range. Its going to take time to get your gun. For 450 Bushmaster ammo, inexpensive Remington UMC factory loads can be had for as low as $1.50/round while premium hunting ammo like Federal Fusion or Barnes VOR-TX will cost around $3/round and up. At that point, you are blurring the line between rifle and portable cannon. Lots of brush, big tough animals (game is to respectful for those vermin), and the need to not any get away if avoidable. There are many different kinds of pistols out there, and whats right for one person might not be right for you. See the .458 SOCOM or .450 Bushmaster. If you have a 308, I don't think you'd get much out of a 300 blackout. Id sure like to have a few of the old big-bore double-rifles. So my professional conclusions are A: Im possibly insane and B: this thing sounds like a whole lot of fun. Thats it. I have a .223 AR which I enjoy and am proficient with. Where else can you have a 5.56 AR carbine for whatever and then in a matter of seconds swap out uppers to get a compact, semi-automatic, big game rifle with quick change box mags then, in a matter of seconds, swap uppers again and have a perfect hunting or looooong range target rifle (the 6.5 Grendel)? While the projectile weights are in the same ballpark, the .50 Beowulf is going to deliver longer range and better accuracy. The same ammo from Midway will be even cheaper when its in stock. Because why not? 3600gr bullet, 38,000ft lb. Add reloading to that, and there's not much the 50 Beowulf can't do. Precision One loads a round using Hornady's. Every single person who has shot it, loves the gun.. And I always bring extra ammo for the range for them to try. This not only allows use of a more standard bolt, but it also allows that bolt to have enough metal on it to withstand pressure over time and use.As for the launcher part, Alexander Arms offers both complete upper receivers and fully-built rifles. A standard .50 BMG cartridge fires a full metal jacket (FMJ) bullet weighing 647 grain, nearly double some of the 50 Beowulf bullets. $800 for an upper. To put Alexander Arms claims to the test, I joined TTAG commenter Greg in Allston and his pal Dave for an afternoon of blazing away with this interesting and capable cartridge. Ive had my .50 Beowulf for about 3 years now and I love it! As noted, the straight-sided .50 Beowulf cartridge features a rebated rim the rim is narrower than the case. That was with the 335 grain FMJ target loads, I imagine some of the others would cause mayhem. 4. In contrast, a 10 round Beowulf magazine, which is identical in all respects to a 30-round 5.56 mag except for the feed lips, may be legal. The NSA is in the room and they blab everything to the keepers of the NICS. Now if we could just drop that price down. Four 5.56 bullets would fit very neatly into that single .50 caliber hole, and thatsbefore expansion. At any rate, back to my original question, if it is possible to use .45-70 Government cartridges in the AR-15 platform, I would be supremely interested such a configuration. We all need a rifle that hurls a 2000 grain bullet. All of my online sources are sold out! Why not? The bottom line is that a muzzle brake will be your friend even if it does frustrate your range neighbors. Its for when the Terminators come. Michigan just changed the law allowing me to use this for deer in my zone. This means that the 50 Beowulf effective range for deer is around 150 yards and 100 yards for elk. barrel. Hunting with an AR would make me more proficient and would be more realistic training for when it really counts. The 450 Bushmaster has higher muzzle velocity, more kinetic energy, and a longer effective range than the 50 Beowulf. The 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf are excellent deer hunting options for Midwest states that require the use of straight-walled cartridges. Therefore, short and thick bullets have to be used instead of more aerodynamic designs. This gun has a quick change barrel, so all you have to do is change out the barrel, bolt, and in some cases with the pistol calibers, the magwell changes as well. The T shirt didnt arrive. Whats even less obvious is that the Alexander upper has an enlarged ejection port. Both the 350 Legend and 300 Blackout come in a wide variety of projectile weights and can come as both supersonic and subsonic varieties. For elk, the Beowulf is limited to 100-yard shots and 150 yards for deer. This is why many hunters prefer the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM as it allows them to harvest game at longer ranges. Who sells complete 300 BO uppers that work without issues? Sure, the upper kit makes it muzzle heavy, but that doesnt make it too clumsy to handle. Double check. Beowulf ammo comes in bullet weights ranging between 200 and 600 grains, though 335, 350, and 400 grain bullets are the most common. Too much? The 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf are both straight-walled cartridges while the 458 SOCOM has a slight shoulder. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. But theres really nothing stopping you from feeding it through the ejection port. 350 Legend is a growing cartridge with a growing fanbase. Its been exploited by creative designers to chamber more and more specialty cartridges such as the 6.5 Grendel (co-created by the aforementioned Bill Alexander), 300 AAC Blackout, 6.5 Creedmoor, 224 Valkyrie, and 6.8 Remington SPC. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Take a moment to recall the 3,182 lines of alliterative verse poetry written in unintelligible Old English. Recoil, while prodigious when compared to the light 5.56, is manageable. Bill Alexander (the same guy who developed the .50 Beowulf) also designed the 6.5 Grendel to fit this same need in 2002. .50 cal sabot slugs from a semi auto 12 gauge arent all that much different. This a great article but its th3 quality of the comments that boosts its awesomeness by a factor of 10. Not a little .45 or .458its a real FIVE OH! That said, I had to have a big bore too. Bullets fire by the 450 Bushmaster are also fired by three popular handgun cartridges, the 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 460 S&W. Will the 300blk be an SBR? It performed without a single hiccup, no matter what lower parts and magazines we used. All three rounds are generally loaded to similar pressures, but the 450 Bushmaster is the only SAAMI certified cartridge of the three with a listed maximum pressure of 38,500 psi. Its for when the fence breaks down in Jurrassic Park T rex? Thank you for the details Accur81 now I can stop fantasizing about an AR-15 in .45-70 Government! estimation of destruction; yes, when youre running this round youre truly on the Eve of Destruction. run off AR-10 platforms. Ralph bought all the .50 AE. The .50 Beowulf load features a 200-grain ARX bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,500 feet per second, yielding 2,776 foot-pounds of kinetic energy.Precision One loads a round using Hornadys 350-grain XTP Magnum hollow point projectile. To avoid any potential trademark litigation, ammo manufacturers will often brand their 50 Beowulf ammo by its metric designation, 12.7x42mm. While the bolt carrier, firing pin and little bits seem familiar, the bolt face is sized for the 7.6339, which has a larger rim than the 5.56. The camera shake is the result of Dave standing too close to, and in perfect alignment with, the backwash from the muzzle brake. All our shooting was from 100 yards. The rush of hot gases is powerful enough to blow your hair back as effectively, but perhaps not as pleasantly, as a Trojan brand personal joy buzzer. A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. Thanks again folks. I hate getting something so well made and nice looking which is doesnt fit and is therefore useless. By the time your new upper arrives, youre going to be as excited as the time you had your first blind date with your first sure thing. Plus Ive dealt with Bill Alexander when I had some questions about a different rifle and hes a really great guy who cares very much about his customers and the companys customer service is also excellent. I still havent built a dedicated lower for it.. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The .50 Beowulf and .458 SOCOM use a .50AE parent case and are almost similar in overall length and case capacity. As it is, I am using the case for an air rifle and bought a gun case that fits. It should be noted that none of these cartridges would be described as having low recoil. Most .50 Beowulf ammo you'll come across falls in the 300-400 grain range, and even at the very low end you're still looking at a muzzle velocity of nearly 1900 fps, which translates into 2,300 foot-pounds of energy. Still with tried and true calibers for your first rifle. Thanks for taking those trips for us. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Although developed under different circumstances, both the Beowulf and the SOCOM share the same parent case. The .300 AAC Blackout is the cartridge built to function in the AR-15 platform, and with its design comes a different mindset, as the cartridge is called upon to fill a special role. I use the plated rainier 330grn bullets most the time in the Beowulf, they are around $0.20 a piece. 300 AAC Blackout 30-30 Winchester 30-06 Springfield 308 Winchester 50 Beowulf 5.45x39 7mm Remington Magnum 7mm-08 Remington 7.62x39 7.62x54R . Can load my AP bullets in the 300 too. That's a tough choice. Its a heavy hitting, short range mag fed AR. Sadly, well never know. Anything .308 / 7.62 x 51 based will not fit into an AR-15 mag well. Love to go to our farm and hit coyotes and feral dogs..rolls them up like a .22 does a soda can. Perhaps the biggest difference between these three cartridges is their case design itself. For the civilian market, it looks like something a hunter would enjoy- especially a hunter who mostly uses ARs and doesnt want a bolt gun for whatever reason. On the other hand, the 458 SOCOM offers similar ballistic performance to the 450 Bushmaster with heavier bullets. The opposite is true, though. I'm pleased with my 300 BLK, waiting on the stamp to put a rifle stock on it. It's very reassuring to carry in areas full of Grizzlys and wolves when elk hunting. Enter the big bore, semi-auto rifle, that doesnt need a ton of range. I replied it had been sent two days earlier and quickly got a second email saying it had been received but misplaced. The soft case isnt long enough to comfortably close on the gun WITH the tank muzzle brake. When it comes to big game hunting, all three cartridges are excellent options within their effective range. We worked the charging handles and fired ARs in 5.56, 7.62 and .50 Beowulf in rapid order just to get a handle on recoil. An excellent candidate for some recoil therapy. Power is one thing and accuracy is another. Yes, the beer hall was really under attack. Wow. And I have to believe that .45-70 Government factory ammunition is much more readily available at local stores than .50 Beowulf. Tried to edit the above post but it didnt take so Ill do it here. Maybe for me, but not for you. I like both those rounds a lot. Mate the upper to your favorite lower, which will tip the scales at anywhere from 2.2 to 3.0 pounds, add the obligatory doodads and a full magazine, and the whole megillah has a bit of heft. Easy to reload(no shoulder to reshape) Slugs and powder are easy to find(thank you 500 s&w). . There is one company making a side feeding bolt action upper (the idea of which i love, but it only comes in anti-material rounds and im not in the market). JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Deer? I have the basic Entry model and its listed @ only 4.5pounds w/o optic. Already have a 12.5 inch barreled 308 but the 300 blackout keeps sticking in my head. We tried to dig some expanded bullets out of the berm for photographs, but we didnt have a steam shovel. It duplicates .45-70 performance from a modern platform that can morph into a 5.56 in less than ten seconds and (when separated from the lower) fits inside my backpack. So it comes down to this one question: is the pure fun of shooting this beast worth the waiting time and money? LeGendre cites Lt. Col. Jeff Coopers writings on the Thumper concept as his inspiration for creating the 450 BM. I reload so either won't be a problem. If a related requirement calls for going into vehicle interiors without using the handles meaning right through the doors or body, the same benefits apply. The 300 BLK is no slouch when it comes to bullet diameter at 0.308", but the 458 is simply bigger. Thinking 18 or 20 inch barrel if I go 300. However, custom ammo manufacturers often make their own 50 Beowulf loads under the metric designation 12.7x42mm. But, Sir Isaac Newtown giveth as much as he taketh away. Both the uppers and rifles are priced reasonably. Here's what you need to know about the .300 Blackout vs 7.6239. Hey Ralph, I really love your review! I don't own, but I have shot a 300 blackout. You have entered an incorrect email address! Typically, longer and heavier bullets will have a higher BC as they can resist wind drift more efficiently. Lets put it in perspective comparing it to something we all know and love: a 12-gauge slug. The 50 Beowulf also has higher recoil. You cannot run a 243 Winchester through an AR-15. Guess Im one of the few who noticed. Hi I got A Davidson Defense Nitride Finish BCG 7.6239 for my complete upper pistol kit,So my bolt will work or not with both of them? This is a beautiful piece of crap. The people are so happy that the beer hall was saved that they eventually make Beowulf King. THE GOD DAMNED NEW GUN JAMMED ON THE FIRST ROUND. Fortunately, this problem is self-correcting. Picked up a 338 Lapua Magnum for my long range needs but even reloading its expensive. Enjoy. In contrast, the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM have an effective range of 250 yards for deer and 150 yards for elk. However, free recoil can be used to give a general idea of how hard a round kicks. Thanks for the replies. Customer service sucks. The performance of the 50 Beowulf drops off considerably past 150 yards as the bullet goes subsonic at this range.

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