Well we don't really know Whitson's story at the source. I came to your officeQ:You will have to talk up a little more loudlyA Yes. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent back. He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. %PDF-1.7 % One should remember, it was dark, most of them were unfamiliar with where they were and they weren't exactly studying the scene. Grim said: But it's not true. And life just gets more better and more clearer! It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst came between 6:30 and 7:00. Join Facebook to connect with Reeve Whitson and others you may know. That is a great question, Katie. Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. My conclusion, given the research I've done so far, is MY FRIEND"S FATHER KNEW WHITSON (if Whitson existed) and used Whitson's information to disguise himself or Whitson used my friend's father's info to add to his own. "ThanksMario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? I do not believe we will ever know the truth. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. This is from the Twilight Zone! He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. O'Neill mentions the story of Manson going back to the Tate house with a "mysterious partner." For example, Bugliosi states that he learned that Gregg Jacobson arranged for Dean Moorehouse to stay at 10050 Cielo in the period between Terry Melcher leaving and the Polanskis moving in. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. My book, CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, covers a lot of ground, police and prosecutor corruption, secret and mostly illegal government counterintelligence operations against American citizens (like the CIA's MKUltra and CHAOS, and the FBI's COINTELPRO), and, yes, the Manson Family murders of 1969. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. I'd be willing to buy it if you ever put just a amateurish copy of it together, at 1200 pgs it sounds like you've got alot of content in it, what would make it EXTRA special is if it was indexed, so often I've found myself looking for info on a specific person, date, place, incident, quote, etc and then having to Wade through a million google entries that go nowhere and in the case of some of the minutia of the case not being able to find anything at all on it, Also by "amateurish" I don't mean the content of it but the presentation, I'm not looking for anything put together by a professional publishing company or anything. I'd never really thought about it but I noticed on various forums people mentioned Moorehouse living at Cielo as though it were a fact then it occurred to me that if such a close associate of the Family lived in Cielo, that would be a pretty significant thing yet I didn't recall the prosecution making any noise about it. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. Ajerseydevil said why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimesWhy would someone's parole or probation be revoked for getting arrested ? Regardless, most of the info on my friend's father matches the info on Whitson. hbbd```b`` WA$#. I'm currently reading it and it is fantastic, notwithstanding the spelling and punctuation errors and wrong dates here and there. That's one of the reasons that there is so much wrong info out there on this subject and why so many ridiculous theories abound and so much importance is placed on anything that appears to be new and vital.So, with all that in mind, just where would information pertaining to Dean Moorehouse molesting his daughters have come from ? -Excerpt from Sharon Tate - A Life by Ed Sanders "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. saidI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditionsNot if you take into account 2 things > a] the things Manson had actually gone to jail for in the 50s and b] It was the authorities that paroled him. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968I think you'll find that it was at Dennis Wilson's that Dean had some kind of residence during the summer of '68. The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. CAROL!!! California Deaths, 1940 - 1997. There's a clip on YouTube of him explaining away his crimes to a reporter, everything is poor me, no one ever gave me any help, I just thought I'd try out some fantasies, etc, he's a sick sick dude, I agree with you on Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guy, Article I wrote a few months ago fills in some blanks on Reeve Whitson from 1967-1977:https://zodiackilleridentified.com/2021/07/I have another article of his career from 1977-1989 which is even more enlightening. My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? From RFK Jr's instagram post on Wednesday's death of Thane Eugene Cesar, prime suspect in his dad's 1968 murder:The LAPD unit (SUS) that investigated my dads assassination was run by active CIA operatives. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. Folger, a former air intel officer in WWII, still kept close ties to the government. It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. And for my legal reasons and MORE, I comment & blog a certain wayThat's kind of neither here nor there. A:Right, there was ro reporterThe most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. %%EOF I read Chaos, but came to a very different conclusion. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. Oh Mario I wasn't even talking about you! There are a lot of unanswered questions here. (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs). IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life"His name first popped up in the book 'Sharon Tate - A Life' by Ed Sanders, which came out in 2016:"..Hatami testified at the trial that Manson wanted to know where 'somebody' lived - referring to Terry Melcher. However, to be fair to ONeill, when I said that Hatami mentioned Whitson four times, I was being a bit sloppy in my choice of words. When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi?Sanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. There were a lot of discrepancies in the crime scene that could be resolved by assuming persons other than Texs team made entries into the house. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. Reeve Whitson was born circa 1931, at birth place, Illinois, to Mervyn Whitson and Florence Whitson. It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. William Weston said Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trialNo he did not. Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . Grim said Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. I can't imagine Paul Tate lauding someone who could have prevented his daughter's death. 0 William Weston said"Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? Lamar said A lot of people only see what they want to seeUnless of course you have no agenda to begin with.Open your minds!Does not the fact that there are so many alternative theories cause you to open your mind and wonder why ? Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. He's interesting because he's made up or at least his story is, it's a figment of someone's imagination, I laughed just as hard at this as I did at David Berkowitzs claim of his neighbors dog telling him to kill lol. So having a CIA undercover agent learn more about the habits of drug dealers in order to pin the blame on them would be in keeping with the cover-up strategy of setting up the innocent (albeit unsavory) in order to allow the real murderers to go free. Whitson was a former CIA agent who had worked extensively in Latin America including Ecuador. Those things, and wondering what really went on with William Garretson that night. And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. Moorehouse was a bum! One correction grimtraveller.When took Charles Mansonbt that "construction site," and later went to The Fireside Inn to hear him play & sing, I had just turned 18 years old, not 19 years old.Oh brother, these senior moments are becoming more & more frequent.GESHLOL Mario George Nitrini 111------The OJ Simpson Case. I am considering just putting it online and having a donation fixture. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. The CIA are not nice guys. Or better yet, he's like "The Flash". 1. . I spot them right away. . Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. No way this guy was just there to watch. I hate him too. He didn't apply for it. Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prison. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. And when he did, he did it for things that were legally enforceable {dubious source of income, not reporting his whereabouts, aided by the suspicions of LASO that he was involved in car theft and was therefore being watched}. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. That makes absolutely no sense. It's such a huge book with such a plethora of facts and information that one can semi-overlook things that don't make a material difference to the case. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. And, if you look at the police reports, there are those who claim to have heard male voices outside hours after Watson, et al. There's one part of Whitson's story that makes no sense to me. At the same time he was befriending CIA agent Reeve Whitson, Manson was also meeting with Charles Winans, an operative from Naval Intelligence. Other than Gregg Jacobson and Stephanie Schram's sister, virtually no one outside the Family {or close contacts like Juan Flynn} has a pre~August '69 concept of HS. Correction of typo:[He said] it was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969O'Neill's article can be found on the internet, or you can read about Moorehouse in O'Neill's book on pages 116-119. According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. katie8753 said"I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson.Who was Reeve Whitson? What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. TY, https://zodiackilleridentified.com/2021/07/. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book? This contradicted Melchers testimony that after his May 1969 visit to Spahn Ranch he never saw Charlie again.I bring these last points up to show that ONeills book should be taken seriously for the information it contains from documents and from people close to the case. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very well.Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Study the case properly, arm yourself with information that is there and you will see why he was not sent back to prison. A lot of people only see what they want to see, Open your minds! Also God bless Steven Kay because I think he's a true advocate for victims he does tend to exaggerate things, Susan killed Sharon, Manson read Nietzsche all the time, dogs ate before people, etc, etc and on the claims of Melcher being at Barker after the murders look at the source, Danny DeCarlo, one of the biggest lying scumbag pieces of shit to ever come down the pike, This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshit timed PERFECTLY to be released within months of the 50th anniversary and the release of the Tarantino, the only "facts" in it are what has already been public knowledge for decades. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. I can't imagine Candace Bergen allowing that.But that's just me.. Katie I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughters, he is the worst kind of person. Jul 13, 2020. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. Except there was this one dude, Reeve Whitson, who is alleged to have known about the killings at the Tate residence before the police. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Robertson was born in Manard, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, on August 3, 1920 [2] and attended Vanderbilt University before and after the war. Well Grim, your fan club is calling. We don't always agree on things but this guy spent what 25 years on this and this crap is all he came up with? William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book?I actually learned it initially from Cielodrive.com. William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. I don't care for twitter interaction. Now, we have 2 men claiming to be the driver of the white sports car on the night of the LaBianca killings and a virtual "after hours" Cielo party involving Robert Linkletter, Charlie, the mystery partner and Reeve Whitson.Blimey !In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. Also Mon I think Whitson might be the truest character in O'Neill's book, but I think people are going to throw the baby out with the water on this one. According to author Tom O'Neill, Hatami first shared his Charlie encounter story with possible CIA agent Reeve Whitson. Thabk you, Bunkhouse, Does anyone have any additional info on Reeve Whitson? However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers. There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. Who knows if any of it is based in reality. "pg193Whitson's wife, Ellen Josefson: "He was working for the CIA""He(Whitson) said that his mother and Sharon Tate's mother were close" she said.pg196Linda Ruby, cousin to Whitson: "He(Whitson's father) knew that Reeve had planned to visit the Cielo house the night before"pg199FBI agent Roger "Frenchie" LaJeunesse: "Reeve Whitson was a part of putting the book together, the linchpin between all of us. Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. Sorry but I just dont believe he was in that house before Winifred and the cops got there, it would have been front page news at the time, and if you're saying Whitson knew the murders were taking place and did nothing to stop them then he'd have been suspect #1, Couple more things after reading your post, why of all people would Whitson call Hatami about the murders first? He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. Scares the shit out of me to think of it. There is more to his background, but I skip to Aug. 9, 1969. This program was headed by Gerald Shur of the DOJ. This is the third time. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. He got a call at 7 a.m. on Aug. 9, 1969 from an acquaintance named Reeve Whitson, whom Hatami described as a "mystery man." O'Neill found this characterization was universal among Whitson's.

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